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it is different from an ordinary camel and has some characteristics of its mother, perhaps it is permitted to eat it. Or perhaps there is no difference, and with regard to consumption Rabbi Shimon also requires that its head and the majority of its body resemble its mother. The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a proof from a baraita: With regard to a kosher animal that gave birth to a non-kosher animal of sorts, the offspring is forbidden for consumption, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon; but if its head and the majority of its body are similar to its mother, it is obligated in, i.e., subject to the obligations of, firstborn status. Learn from it that with regard to consumption, Rabbi Shimon also requires that its head and the majority of its body resemble the mother. The Gemara rejects the proof: No, the requirement that its head and the majority of its body resemble the mother is relevant specifically with regard to firstborn status. The Gemara comments: The language of the baraita is also precise, as the tanna leaves the halakha of consumption with which he began and addresses the halakha of firstborn status. Learn from it that it is with regard to firstborn status that Rabbi Shimon requires that its head and the majority of its body resemble the mother, but with regard to consumption he does not require this, and even a partial similarity suffices. The Gemara rejects this conclusion as well: Actually, I will say to you that with regard to the permissibility of consumption he also requires that its head and the majority of its body be similar to the mother. But it was necessary to state this condition specifically with regard to the halakha of firstborn status, as it might enter your mind to say that since it is written: “But the firstborn of an ox” (Numbers 18:17), perhaps firstborn status does not apply unless it is an ox and its firstborn is an ox, and a resemblance of the offspring’s head and the majority of its body to the mother does not suffice unless its whole body has the appearance of an ox. Therefore, the tanna teaches us that a resemblance of its head and the majority of its body to the mother do suffice. The Gemara suggests: Come and hear a proof from a baraita: The Torah states: “Nevertheless these shall you not eat from them that only chew the cud, or from them that only have a split hoof: The camel” (Leviticus 11:4). The phrase: “From them that only chew the cud,” which is referring to animals that are forbidden for consumption, indicates that a camel or other non-kosher animal that is born to a kosher animal is forbidden. Furthermore, the word “these” teaches that concerning these animals that resemble a non-kosher animal, you may not eat them when they are born to a kosher animal, but you may eat a non-kosher animal that comes with one characteristic of its mother. And which animal is this that comes with one characteristic of its mother? This is a non-kosher animal that is born from a kosher female animal and its impregnation came from a kosher male animal. The baraita continues: One might have thought that even if its conception came from a non-kosher male animal it should be permitted. Therefore, the verse states: “These are the beasts which you may eat: “The ox, the sheep [seh kesavim], and goat [veseh izzim]” (Deuteronomy 14:4). The plural form of “kesavim” and “izzim” indicates that a lamb is not kosher unless its father is a male lamb and its mother is a female lamb. This is the statement of Rabbi Yehoshua. Rabbi Eliezer says: Offspring whose father and mother are both kosher are permitted, and this verse which renders permitted an offspring that partially resembles its mother does not come to permit that which is permitted, i.e., where both parents are kosher, but it comes rather to add to that which is permitted; and which case is this? It is a case of a non-kosher animal that is born from a kosher animal and its conception came from a non-kosher animal. Or perhaps it permits only an animal whose conception came from a kosher animal? The verse states: “The ox, the sheep [seh kesavim], and goat [veseh izzim].” The repetition of the word seh indicates that it is permitted to be eaten in any case, even if only its mother was a ewe. In any event, the tanna of this baraita refers to a non-kosher animal that was born to a kosher animal as non-kosher, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, who deems a camel that was born to a cow forbidden to eat, and he says: But you may eat a non-kosher animal that comes with one characteristic that is similar to its mother. Apparently, Rabbi Shimon does not require that the head and the majority of the body resemble the mother for it to be rendered fit for consumption. The Gemara responds: No proof may be brought from here, as this tanna holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon with regard to one matter, where a kosher animal gave birth to a non-kosher animal, maintaining that it is forbidden, and disagrees with his opinion with regard to one other matter, where the animal has some characteristics of the mother, in which case this tanna deems it permitted to be eaten. Concerning the second matter, Rabbi Shimon deems it forbidden unless the head and majority of the body resemble the mother. The Gemara comments that there are those who raise a difficulty with this baraita and resolve it, thereby resolving the dilemma concerning the opinion of Rabbi Shimon: The baraita states that the kosher animal’s impregnation came from a non-kosher animal. Can a kosher animal become pregnant from a non-kosher animal? But doesn’t Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi say: A non-kosher animal never becomes pregnant from a kosher one, e.g., a camel from an ox, nor a kosher animal from a non-kosher one, e.g., a cow from a horse, nor a large animal from a small animal, e.g., a cow from a goat, nor a small one from a large one, e.g., a ewe from an ox, nor a domesticated animal from an undomesticated animal, e.g., a goat from a deer, nor an undomesticated animal from a domesticated animal, e.g., a gazelle from a goat. With regard to all these cases, everyone agrees that pregnancy is impossible except for Rabbi Eliezer and his disputants, who would say that an undomesticated animal can become pregnant from a domesticated animal (see Ḥullin 79b). Those Sages disagree with regard to whether slaughtering the offspring of a gazelle that became pregnant from a goat is included in the prohibition against slaughtering a mother and its offspring on the same day. And Rabbi Yirmeya says in response to the difficulty: When the baraita discusses the case of a kosher animal that became pregnant from a non-kosher animal, the reference is to a case where the kosher animal became pregnant from an animal with closed hooves that is the offspring of a cow. A cow can become pregnant from such an animal because the mother of that animal was a cow. And the tanna of the baraita said his opinion in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon, that a non-kosher animal that was born from a kosher animal is considered non-kosher, and he says: But you may eat that which comes with one characteristic of its mother. Apparently, Rabbi Shimon does deem permitted the consumption of an animal with some characteristics similar to its mother. The Gemara responds: This tanna holds in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon with regard to one matter, where a kosher animal gave birth to a non-kosher animal, maintaining that it is forbidden, and disagrees with his opinion with regard to one other matter, where the animal has some characteristics of the mother, in which case this tanna deems it fit for consumption. Concerning the second matter, Rabbi Shimon deems it forbidden unless the head and majority of the body resemble the mother. § The Gemara asks concerning the dispute between Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Yehoshua in the baraita: Is this to say that Rabbi Eliezer holds that when both this and that cause it, i.e., both permitted and forbidden items contribute to a result, the result is permitted, and he therefore permits the consumption of the offspring of a kosher animal that became pregnant from a non-kosher animal; and Rabbi Yehoshua holds that when both this and that cause it, it is forbidden? But we have heard them saying the opposite: With regard to the offspring of an animal with a wound that will cause it to die within twelve months [tereifa] and is forbidden to be eaten or sacrificed as an offering upon the altar, Rabbi Eliezer says: The offspring may not be sacrificed upon the altar either, despite the fact that its father is kosher, and Rabbi Yehoshua says: The offspring may be sacrificed upon the altar despite the fact that its mother is a tereifa, since its father is kosher. The Gemara answers: Generally, Rabbi Eliezer holds that when both this and that cause the result, it is forbidden. But it is different here in the case of a kosher animal that became pregnant from a non-kosher animal, because if it is so, i.e., that the offspring is forbidden, let the verse write: Sheep and goats [seh kesavim ve’izzim]. Why do I need the verse to repeat the term “seh” in the phrase “seh kesavim veseh izzim”? Learn from it that a seh is permitted in any case, i.e., even if only the mother is kosher it is permitted to eat the offspring. And as for Rabbi Yehoshua, he could have said to you: Generally, if both this and that cause the result it is permitted. But here it is different, as if so, i.e., if the offspring of a kosher animal that became pregnant from a non-kosher animal is permitted, let the verse write: These are the animals that you may eat: An ox, a lamb, and a goat. Why do I need it to state: “Seh kesavim veseh izzim,” in the plural? Learn from it that the offspring may not be eaten unless its father is a male lamb and its mother is a female lamb. § The Gemara returns to the dilemma of whether Rabbi Shimon permits the consumption of the offspring of a kosher animal that resembles a non-kosher animal but has some of the characteristics of its mother. Come and hear a proof from a baraita: Rabbi Shimon says it is stated: “Camel” (Leviticus 11:4), “camel” (Deuteronomy 14:7), i.e., the term is written two times with regard to the prohibition against consumption. This teaches that both a camel that is born from a camel and a camel that is born from a cow are non-kosher. And if in the latter case its head and the majority of its body are similar to its mother, it is permitted for consumption. Learn from it that not only with regard to firstborn status, but with regard to consumption as well Rabbi Shimon requires that its head and the majority of its body resemble the mother, and a partial resemblance does not suffice. The Gemara concludes: Indeed, learn from it that this is so. § The mishna (5b) teaches: This is because that which emerges from the non-kosher animal is non-kosher and that which emerges from the kosher animal is kosher. The Sages raised a dilemma before Rav Sheshet: With regard to the urine of a donkey, what is the halakha? Is it forbidden, like the milk of a donkey? The Gemara asks: And should they raise the dilemma also with regard to the urine of horses and camels? The Gemara answers: With regard to the urine of horses and camels they did not raise the dilemma, as their urine is not turbid and consequently is not similar to milk. Rather, water enters their body and water exits their body. When they raised the dilemma it was concerning the urine of a donkey, which is turbid and is consequently similar to milk. What is the halakha? Does it get excreted from its body, and it is therefore forbidden, or perhaps water enters and water exits, and the fact that it is turbid is due to the heat of the flesh? Rav Sheshet said to them: You learned the answer in the mishna: This is because that which emerges from the non-kosher animal is non-kosher and that which emerges from the kosher animal is kosher. From the fact that it does not state: That which emerges from a non-kosher animal [mittamei], meaning from the body of a non-kosher animal, but rather it says: From
▶ 🇫🇷 Résumé en français il est différent d’un chameau ordinaire et possède certaines caractéristiques de sa mère, peut-être est-il permis de le …
il est différent d’un chameau ordinaire et possède certaines caractéristiques de sa mère, peut-être est-il permis de le manger. Ou peut-être qu’il n’y a pas de différence, et en ce qui concerne la consommation, Rabbi Chimon exige également que sa tête et la majorité de son corps ressemblent à sa mère. La Guemara suggère : Viens et entends une preuve d’une baraita : En ce qui concerne un animal casher qui a donné naissance à une sorte d’animal non casher, le petit est interdit à la consommation, conformément à l’avis de Rabbi Chimon ; mais si sa tête et la majorité de son corps sont semblables à sa mère, il est soumis à la sainteté du premier-né. Apprends-en que en ce qui concerne la consommation, Rabbi Chimon exige aussi que sa tête et la majorité de son corps ressemblent à la mère. La Guemara rejette la preuve : Non, l’exigence que sa tête et la majorité de son corps ressemblent à la mère n’est pertinente spécifiquement qu’en ce qui concerne le statut de premier-né. La Guemara commente : Le langage de la baraita est également précis, car le tanna abandonne la halakha de consommation par laquelle il a commencé et traite de la halakha du premier-né. Apprends-en que c’est en ce qui concerne le premier-né que Rabbi Chimon exige que sa tête et la majorité de son corps ressemblent à la mère, mais en ce qui concerne la consommation il ne l’exige pas, et même une ressemblance partielle suffit. La Guemara rejette également cette conclusion : En réalité, je te dirai que en ce qui concerne la permission de consommation, il exige aussi que sa tête et la majorité de son corps soient semblables à la mère. Mais il était nécessaire d’énoncer cette condition spécifiquement en ce qui concerne la halakha du premier-né, car il pourrait te venir à l’esprit de dire que puisqu’il est écrit : « Mais le premier-né d’un bœuf » (Nombres 18:17), peut-être que le statut de premier-né ne s’applique pas à moins que ce soit un bœuf et que son premier-né soit un bœuf, et qu’une ressemblance de la tête et de la majorité de son corps à la mère ne suffise pas à moins que tout son corps ait l’apparence d’un bœuf. Par conséquent, le tanna nous apprend qu’une ressemblance de sa tête et de la majorité de son corps à la mère suffit. La Guemara suggère : Viens et entends une preuve d’une baraita : La Torah déclare : « Mais vous ne mangerez pas de ceux qui ruminent seulement, ou de ceux qui ont seulement le sabot fendu : Le chameau » (Lévitique 11:4). L’expression : « De ceux qui ruminent seulement », qui fait référence aux animaux interdits à la consommation, indique qu’un chameau ou un autre animal non casher né d’un animal casher est interdit. De plus, le mot « ceux-ci » enseigne qu’en ce qui concerne ces animaux qui ressemblent à un animal non casher, vous ne pouvez pas les manger lorsqu’ils sont nés d’un animal casher, mais vous pouvez manger un animal non casher qui vient avec une seule caractéristique de sa mère. Et quel animal est-ce qui vient avec une seule caractéristique de sa mère ? C’est un animal non casher qui est né d’une femelle casher et dont la conception est venue d’un mâle casher. La baraita continue : On aurait pu penser que même si sa conception est venue d’un mâle non casher, il devrait être permis. Par conséquent, le verset dit : « Voici les animaux que vous mangerez : Le bœuf, la brebis [seh kesavim], et la chèvre [veseh izzim] » (Deutéronome 14:4). La forme plurielle de « kesavim » et « izzim » indique qu’un agneau n’est pas casher à moins que son père soit un bélier et sa mère une brebis. C’est la déclaration de Rabbi Yehoshoua. Rabbi Éliézer dit : Un petit dont le père et la mère sont tous deux casher est permis, et ce verset qui rend permis un petit qui ressemble partiellement à sa mère ne vient pas permettre ce qui est déjà permis, c’est-à-dire le cas où les deux parents sont casher, mais il vient plutôt pour ajouter à ce qui est permis ; et quel cas est-ce ? C’est le cas d’un animal non casher qui est né d’un animal casher et dont la conception est venue d’un animal non casher. Ou peut-être ne permet-il que le cas d’un animal dont la conception est venue d’un animal casher ? Le verset dit : « Le bœuf, la brebis [seh kesavim], et la chèvre [veseh izzim]. » La répétition du mot seh indique qu’il est permis de le manger dans tous les cas, même si seule sa mère était une brebis. En tout cas, le tanna de cette baraita se réfère à un animal non casher né d’un animal casher comme non casher, conformément à l’avis de Rabbi Chimon, qui juge un chameau né d’une vache interdit à la consommation, et il dit : Mais vous pouvez manger un animal non casher qui vient avec une seule caractéristique semblable à sa mère. Apparemment, Rabbi Chimon n’exige pas que la tête et la majorité du corps ressemblent à la mère pour qu’il soit rendu apte à la consommation. La Guemara répond : Aucune preuve ne peut être apportée d’ici, car ce tanna tient conformément à l’avis de Rabbi Chimon en ce qui concerne un point, où un animal casher a donné naissance à un animal non casher, en maintenant qu’il est interdit, et il est en désaccord avec son avis en ce qui concerne un autre point, où l’animal a certaines caractéristiques de la mère, auquel cas ce tanna le juge permis à la consommation. Concernant le deuxième point, Rabbi Chimon le juge interdit à moins que la tête et la majorité du c
La mishna admet qu'un animal pur engendrant un impur peut, si tête et majorité du corps ressemblent à la mère, porter la sainteté du premier-né (Nombres 18:17). L'Évangile transpose ce critère : « Vous les reconnaîtrez à leurs fruits » (Matthieu 7:16) — l'appartenance au Royaume se voit à la ressemblance au Père (1 Jean 3:9).

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