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The Gemara answers: In the latter clause, the tanna teaches the mishna employing the style: This, and it is unnecessary to say that, i.e., the cases are arranged with each case more obvious than the one that preceded it. § The mishna teaches: And one of the judges knew that they erred, or if he was a student and he is qualified to issue halakhic rulings. The Gemara asks: Why do I need two cases? As a student qualified to issue halakhic rulings is the equivalent of one of the judges, why did the tanna mention both? Rava said: It was necessary to state both, as it may enter your mind to say that this statement that he is liable applies specifically to one who is learned and analytical, but that one who is learned but not analytical, no, he should not be liable to bring an offering. Therefore, the tanna cites both the case of a judge and the case of a student qualified to issue halakhic rulings, to teach that even one who is learned but not analytical is liable in this case. Abaye challenged this and said to Rava that the term: A student qualified to issue halakhic rulings, indicates that he is both learned and analytical. Rava said to Abaye: This is what I am saying: If the tanna had taught the halakha from that first halakha with regard to one of the judges, I would say that this statement applies only to one who is both learned and analytical, but if he was learned and not analytical, no, he would not be liable. Therefore, the tanna taught the additional case of a student qualified to issue halakhic rulings, and from the extraneous case in the mishna one can infer that the halakha applies even to one who is learned but not analytical or one who is analytical but not yet learned. Since he associates his action with himself, he is liable. § The mishna teaches: Qualified to issue halakhic rulings. The Gemara asks: Like whom? Who is an example of one qualified to issue halakhic rulings? Rava said: It is one like Shimon ben Azzai or Shimon ben Zoma, who, although they were among the most outstanding Torah scholars of their generation, were not ordained. Abaye said to Rava: In a case like this, he is an intentional sinner, as a scholar of that caliber would certainly not err. If he ruled that a prohibited action is permitted, it is assumed that he acted with intent, and he is exempt from bringing an offering. Rava said to Abaye: But according to your reasoning, that which is taught in a baraita that cites the verse: “In performing one” (Leviticus 4:27), from which it is derived that an individual who performs a transgression on his own is liable, while one who performs a transgression based on the ruling of the court is exempt; how so? When does this apply? If the court ruled that forbidden fat is permitted, and it became known to one of the judges that they erred, or if he was a student who was sitting before them and he is qualified to issue halakhic rulings, e.g., Shimon ben Azzai, might one have thought that he would be exempt? To counter this, the verse states: “In performing one,” from which it is derived that an individual who performs a transgression on his own is liable, while one who performs a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court is exempt. Rava continues: Rather, the baraita is difficult; how can you find these circumstances where a judge or a prominent Torah scholar would be considered an unwitting sinner? The Gemara answers: It is in a case where the judge or the scholar knew that the action with regard to which the court issued a ruling that it is permitted is in fact prohibited, but he erred with regard to the mitzva of heeding the statements of the Sages. He believed that there is a mitzva to heed the directives of the Sages even when he is certain that they are mistaken. If so, according to my understanding too, the reference is to one like Shimon ben Azzai or Shimon ben Zoma; it is also a case where they erred with regard to the mitzva of heeding the statements of the Sages. Due to that error, they are liable to bring an offering. § The mishna teaches: This is the principle: One who associates his action with himself is liable. The Gemara asks: What case that was not already mentioned in the mishna does this principle serve to include? The Gemara answers: It serves to include one who disdains halakhic rulings in general, treating them with contempt and relying only on his own understanding. The mishna teaches the second part of that principle: And one who associates his action with the ruling of the court is exempt. The Gemara explains: This principle serves to include an additional case that was not yet mentioned in the mishna, namely, where the court issued a ruling and the judges discovered that they erred and reversed their decision. If one was unaware that the court reversed their decision, and acted based on their initial ruling, he is deemed one who associates his action with the ruling of the court and is exempt. The Gemara challenges: The tanna teaches this halakha explicitly in the next mishna (3b), and consequently there is no need for an allusion in this mishna. The Gemara explains: The tanna teaches it ambiguously, and then teaches it explicitly. § Rav Yehuda says that Shmuel says: This halakha in the mishna, which states that an individual who performs a transgression on the basis of a ruling issued by the court is exempt from liability to bring an offering, is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda. But the Rabbis say: An individual who performs a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court is liable. The Gemara asks: What is the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda to which Shmuel refers? It is as it is taught in a baraita: The verse states: “And if one soul from among the common people shall sin unwittingly in performing one of the mitzvot of the Lord” (Leviticus 4:27). These are three exclusionary terms: “One,” “unwittingly,” and “in performing,” and one of these exclusions serves to teach that one who performs a transgression on his own is liable, while one who performs a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court is exempt. The Gemara asks: What is the opinion of the Rabbis? It is as it is taught in a baraita: Still I say: Each member of a minority of the congregation that sinned based on the ruling of a court is liable to bring an offering for his unwitting transgression, as the court does not bring a bull for an unwitting communal sin on the basis of the minority’s transgression. One might have thought that each member of a majority of the congregation that sinned based on the ruling of a court would be exempt from liability to bring an offering for his unwitting transgression, as the court brings a bull for an unwitting communal sin on the basis of the majority’s transgression. To counter this, the verse states with regard to a sin-offering brought for an unwitting transgression: “From among the common people,” from which it is derived that even members of the majority of the congregation, and even members of the entire congregation, are not exempt because of the ruling of the court. The Gemara asks: In what circumstances did the majority of the congregation sin? If we say that the reference is to a transgression with unwitting performance of an action unrelated to a ruling of the court, why does the tanna say: As the court brings a bull for an unwitting communal sin on the basis of the majority’s transgression? Given that this is a case where a court did not issue a ruling, what action did the court perform? Since it was not on the basis of the ruling of the court, does the court bring a bull for an unwitting communal sin that was performed not on the basis of its ruling? Rather, the reference in the baraita must be to a case where the majority of the congregation performed a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court. If so, the question arises: But when it is written with regard to a sin-offering brought for an unwitting transgression: “From among the common people,” it is with regard to a transgression with unwitting performance of an action that it is written. Rather, is it not that this is what the tanna is saying: The baraita is incomplete and must be taught in this manner: Each member of a minority of the congregation that sinned with unwitting performance of an action is liable to bring an offering for his unwitting transgression, as the court does not bring a bull for an unwitting communal sin on the basis of the minority’s transgression in a case where the court issued an erroneous ruling. But a minority of the congregation that sinned unwittingly on the basis of the ruling of the court is also liable. The baraita continues: One might have thought that a majority of the congregation that sinned with unwitting performance of an action would be exempt, as the court brings a bull for an unwitting communal sin on the basis of the majority’s transgression in a case where the court issued an erroneous ruling. Therefore, the verse states: “From among the common people,” from which it is derived that even members of the majority of the congregation are liable. If the unwitting transgression was performed not on the basis of the ruling of the court, there is no difference between a minority and a majority of the people. This is proof that according to the Rabbis both an individual and a minority of the congregation who performed a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court are liable. Rav Pappa said: From where do you draw this conclusion? Perhaps in the case where a minority of the congregation performs a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court, neither do those individuals bring an offering, because they associated their action with the court, nor does the court bring an offering, because it was only a minority of the congregation that performed a transgression on the basis of the ruling of the court. The Gemara rejects this: If so, why does the tanna specifically seek a source with regard to the majority for liability? Why did the tanna seek to introduce the halakha that even if a majority of the congregation sinned they would be liable to bring an offering? Can one not, by inference, conclude with regard to a minority that acts on the basis of the ruling of the court, that he holds that they are liable even though they acted on the basis of the ruling of the court? According to Rav Pappa’s opinion, let the tanna first seek to cite proof about a minority that each of its members is liable to bring a sin-offering for unwitting performance of an action, and ultimately seek to cite proof about a majority to establish liability for each of its members to bring a sin-offering for unwitting performance of an action, as it has not yet been established with regard to a minority that each of its members is liable to bring a sin-offering for unwitting performance of an action. Rather, can one not make an inference from the fact that the tanna did not first seek to cite proof about a minority that each of its members is liable to bring a sin-offering for unwitting performance of an action and then seek to cite proof about a majority to establish liability for each of its members to bring a sin-offering for unwitting performance of an action? Accordingly, one can conclude from it that it was clear to the tanna that in a case of a minority that acts on the basis of the ruling of the court, each member of the minority is liable to bring a female lamb or a female goat as a sin-offering, and for unwitting performance of an action not on the basis of the ruling of the court, each member of the minority is similarly liable. The Gemara asks: Now, we learned both of the baraitot unattributed. From where may it be ascertained that the tanna of the first baraita is Rabbi Yehuda and the tanna of the latter baraita is the Rabbis? Say the opposite. The Gemara answers: Whom did you hear that interprets exclusionary terms in this way? It is Rabbi Yehuda, as it is taught in a baraita that Rabbi Yehuda says:
▶ 🇫🇷 Résumé en français La Guemara répond : Dans la dernière clause, le tanna enseigne la mishna en employant le style : Ceci, et il n’est pas n…
La Guemara répond : Dans la dernière clause, le tanna enseigne la mishna en employant le style : Ceci, et il n’est pas nécessaire de dire que, c’est-à-dire que les cas sont disposés de sorte que chaque cas est plus évident que celui qui le précède. § La mishna enseigne : Et l’un des juges savait qu’ils s’étaient trompés, ou s’il était un étudiant et qu’il est qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques. La Guemara demande : Pourquoi ai-je besoin de deux cas ? Puisqu’un étudiant qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques équivaut à l’un des juges, pourquoi le tanna a-t-il mentionné les deux ? Rava dit : Il était nécessaire de mentionner les deux, car il pourrait venir à l’esprit de dire que cette déclaration selon laquelle il est responsable s’applique spécifiquement à celui qui est érudit et analytique, mais que celui qui est érudit mais non analytique, non, il ne devrait pas être responsable d’apporter une offrande. Par conséquent, le tanna cite à la fois le cas d’un juge et le cas d’un étudiant qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques, pour enseigner que même celui qui est érudit mais non analytique est responsable dans ce cas. Abaye contesta cela et lui dit, à Rava, que le terme : Un étudiant qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques, indique qu’il est à la fois érudit et analytique. Rava lui dit, à Abaye : Voici ce que je dis : Si le tanna avait enseigné la halakha à partir de ce premier halakha concernant l’un des juges, je dirais que cette déclaration ne s’applique qu’à celui qui est à la fois érudit et analytique, mais s’il était érudit et non analytique, non, il ne serait pas responsable. Par conséquent, le tanna a enseigné le cas supplémentaire d’un étudiant qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques, et à partir du cas superfétatoire dans la mishna on peut déduire que la halakha s’applique même à celui qui est érudit mais non analytique ou celui qui est analytique mais pas encore érudit. Puisqu’il associe son action à lui-même, il est responsable. § La mishna enseigne : Qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques. La Guemara demande : Comme qui ? Qui est un exemple de celui qui est qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques ? Rava dit : C’est celui comme Shimon ben Azzai ou Shimon ben Zoma, qui, bien qu’ils fussent parmi les plus éminents érudits de la Torah de leur génération, n’avaient pas été ordonnés. Abaye lui dit, à Rava : Dans un cas comme celui-ci, il est un pécheur intentionnel, car un érudit de cette envergure ne se tromperait certainement pas. S’il a statué qu’une action interdite est permise, on suppose qu’il a agi avec intention, et il est exempt d’apporter une offrande. Rava dit à Abaye : Mais selon ton raisonnement, ce qui est enseigné dans une baraita qui cite le verset : « En accomplissant une » (Lévitique 4:27), d’où il est dérivé que un individu qui accomplit une transgression de sa propre initiative est responsable, tandis que celui qui accomplit une transgression sur la décision du tribunal est exempt ; comment cela ? Quand cela s’applique-t-il ? Si le tribunal a statué que la graisse interdite est permise, et qu’il est devenu connu de l’un des juges qu’ils s’étaient trompés, ou s’il était un étudiant qui était assis devant eux et qu’il est qualifié pour émettre des décisions halakhiques, par exemple Shimon ben Azzai, pourrait-on penser que il serait exempt ? Pour contrer cela, le verset dit : « En accomplissant une », d’où il est dérivé que un individu qui accomplit une transgression de sa propre initiative est responsable, tandis que celui qui accomplit une transgression sur la base de la décision du tribunal est exempt. Rava continue : Plutôt, la baraita est difficile ; comment peux-tu trouver ces circonstances où un juge ou un érudit éminent de la Torah serait considéré comme un pécheur involontaire ? La Guemara répond : C’est dans un cas où le juge ou l’érudit savait que l’action au sujet de laquelle le tribunal a émis une décision selon laquelle elle est permise est en fait interdite, mais il s’est trompé en ce qui concerne la mitsva d’écouter les déclarations des Sages. Il croyait qu’il y a une mitsva d’écouter les directives des Sages même lorsqu’il est certain qu’ils se trompent. Si c’est le cas, selon ma compréhension aussi, la référence est à quelqu’un comme Shimon ben Azzai ou Shimon ben Zoma ; c’est aussi un cas où ils se sont trompés en ce qui concerne la mitsva d’écouter les déclarations des Sages. En raison de cette erreur, ils sont responsables d’apporter une offrande. § La mishna enseigne : C’est le principe : Celui qui associe son action à lui-même est responsable. La Guemara demande : Quel cas qui n’a pas déjà été mentionné dans la mishna ce principe sert-il à inclure ? La Guemara répond : Il sert à inclure celui qui méprise les décisions halakhiques en général, les traitant avec mépris et ne s’appuyant que sur sa propre compréhension. La mishna enseigne la deuxième partie de ce principe : Et celui qui associe son action à la décision du tribunal est exempt. La Guemara explique : Ce principe sert à inclure un cas supplémentaire qui n’a pas encore été mentionné dans la mishna, à savoir, lorsque le tribunal a émis une décision et que les juges ont découvert qu’ils s’étaient trompés et ont annulé leur décision. Si quelqu’un n’était pas au courant que le tribunal avait annulé sa décision, et a agi sur la base de leur décision initiale, il est considéré comme celui qui associe son action à la décision du tribunal et est exempt. La Guemara conteste : Le tanna enseigne cette halakha explicitement dans la mishna suivante (3b), et par conséquent il n’y a pas besoin d’une allusion dans cette mishna. La Guemara explique : Le tanna l’enseigne de manière ambiguë, et puis l’enseigne explicitement. § Rav Yehuda dit que Shmuel dit : Cette halakha dans la mishna, qui stipule qu’un i [...]
La distinction entre un juge et un étudiant qualifié pour enseigner reflète le principe biblique selon lequel la connaissance de la Torah engage la responsabilité de celui qui la transmet (Lévitique 4:13). Les Sages reconnaissent que même celui qui n'est pas ordonné mais qui possède la sagesse doit répondre de ses décisions, ce que Jésus illustre en louant le scribe instruit du Royaume qui tire de son trésor des choses nouvelles et anciennes (Matthieu 13:52). Ainsi, la compétence spirituelle ne dépend pas seulement du titre, mais de la fidélité à la vérité divine.

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