▶💬Guemarathat the incident occurred during sunrise is because he was standing out in the open and they were mere rays of light th…
that the incident occurred during sunrise is because he was standing out in the open and they were mere rays of light that he saw which he mistook for sunrise. In actuality, he too is testifying to an incident that occurred before sunrise, and the testimony of the two witnesses is therefore compatible testimony. Rav Shimi bar Ashi therefore teaches us that there is no concern that it transpired in that manner.
Rav Naḥman said that Rav said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. Rava said to Rav Naḥman: And let the Master say that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir, who maintains that one may eat during the entire fifth hour, as the tanna taught an unattributed mishna in accordance with his opinion, indicating that this is the halakha.
As we learned in a mishna: For the entire time that one is permitted to eat leaven himself, he feeds it to his animal. It can be inferred from this mishna that there is no intermediate period when it is prohibited for a person to eat leaven but he may feed it to his animal. This unattributed mishna must be in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir, as Rabbi Yehuda maintains that during the fifth hour it is prohibited to eat leaven but one may feed it to an animal.
The Gemara rejects this contention: That mishna is not classified as unattributed, as it is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Gamliel, due to the fact that had the mishna been in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir, the term: Permitted, is difficult. Instead, the mishna should have been formulated: When one eats he may feed.
Rava raised an additional difficulty to Rav Naḥman: And let the Master say that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Gamliel, as he is the decisor in this dispute, and there is a general principle that the halakha is always in accordance with the decisor who states an opinion that compromises between two opinions cited previously. He said to him: Rabban Gamliel is not a decisor; he is stating a reason of his own. Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Meir disagree with regard to consumption of any type of leaven; they do not distinguish between teruma and non-sacred food. Since Rabban Gamliel distinguishes between the time one must desist from eating teruma and the latest time that one may eat non-sacred food, his is evidently an unrelated opinion that is in no way a compromise between the other two rulings.
And if you wish, say instead: When Rav said that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda, he ruled in accordance with the opinion of this tanna, as it was taught in a baraita: With regard to the fourteenth of Nisan that occurs on Shabbat, one does not remove leaven on Passover eve in the usual manner. Rather, one removes everything leavened before Shabbat, and one burns ritually impure teruma:Terumain abeyance, whose purity is uncertain, and even any pureteruma that he does not require for his Shabbat meals. And one leaves from the pure leaven food for two meals, the meal at night and the one in the morning, in order to eat and finish until four hours of Shabbat morning. This is the statement of Rabbi Elazar ben Yehuda of Bartota, who said it in the name of Rabbi Yehoshua.
The Sages said to him: One should not burn pureteruma, as perhaps those who can eat it will be found on Shabbat, and he will have retroactively violated a Torah prohibition by burning pure teruma unnecessarily. Instead, one places the teruma aside, and if no one is found to eat it, he feeds it to the dogs or renders it null and void in his heart. He said to them: They already sought people to eat the terumaand they did not find any other priests in the city to eat it. They said to him: Perhaps those priests who could eat the teruma on that Shabbat slept outside the wall of the city and will enter the city on Shabbat morning, at which point they could eat the teruma.
He said to the Sages: According to your statement, that you take into account this unlikely scenario, one should not even burn teruma in abeyance, as perhaps Elijah the Prophet will come on Shabbat and establish prophetically that the teruma is not ritually impure, and render it ritually pure. They said to him: That possibility is no source of concern, as the Jewish people have already been assured that Elijah will come neither on a Friday nor on the eve of a Festival, due to the exertion involved preparing for the upcoming holy day. Consequently, Elijah will certainly come neither on Friday, nor on Shabbat itself, which is Passover eve.
They said: They did not move from there until the Sages voted and they established the halakha in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Elazar ben Yehuda of Bartota, who said it in the name of Rabbi Yehoshua.
Apropos the previous statement that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda, what, is it not that the halakha is in accordance with his opinion even with regard to eating? Rav’s ruling indicates that one may eat leaven until the end of the fourth hour, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. Rav Pappa said in the name of Rava: No, the aforementioned ruling applies only to the obligation to remove leaven, i.e., the Sages agreed that it is permitted to remove pure teruma on Friday only if there is no one available to eat it.
The Gemara notes: And even Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi holds in accordance with this statement of Rav Naḥman, and rules that the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. As Ravin bar Rav Adda said: There was an incident that occurred involving a certain person who deposited a saddlebag [disakkayya] filled with leavened bread with Yoḥanan Ḥakuka’a, and mice bore a hole in the bag, and leavened bread was spilling out of the sack. And he came before Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi on Passover eve to ask what he should do. In the first hour of the day Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi said to him: Wait, as the owner of the bag might yet return to take it from you and eat the leaven. In the second hour he said to him: Wait. In the third hour he said to him: Wait. In the fourth hour he said to him: Wait. In the fifth hour, concluding that the person was not coming, he said to him: Go and sell it in the market.What, did Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi not mean that Yoḥanan Ḥakuka’a should sell this leaven to gentiles, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda, who says that it is prohibited for a Jew to eat leaven during the fifth hour? Rav Yosef said: No, it could be that he meant to sell it to a Jew, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir that one may eat leaven during the fifth hour. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi was simply advising him to sell the leaven quickly before the sixth hour begins, at which point it would be prohibited for Jews to eat it. Abaye said to him: If it is permitted for a Jew to eat leaven, let him take it for himself and pay the owner back later. Why trouble him to sell it to someone else?
The Gemara responds: Eating it himself is not an option due to the potential of suspicion. As it was taught in a baraita with regard to a similar situation: Collectors of charity who have no poor people to whom they can distribute the money, change the money with other people and do not change it themselves, i.e., with their own coins.
Likewise, collectors of food for the charity plate, who would collect food in large vessels for the poor to eat, who do not have poor people to whom to distribute the food, sell the food to others and do not sell it to themselves, as it is stated: “And you shall be clear before God and before Israel” (Numbers 32:22). It is not sufficient that a person is without sin in the eyes of God. He must also appear upright in the eyes of other people so that they will not suspect him of wrongdoing.
Rav Adda bar Mattana said to Rav Yosef: You told us explicitly that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi meant: Go and sell it to gentiles, in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda. Rav Yosef took ill late in life and forgot his studies, and therefore his student would remind him that he also agreed with that version of the incident.
Rav Yosef said: In accordance with whose opinion, i.e., the opinion of which tanna, is that halakha which was taught by Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, that one should sell leaven deposited with him in order to prevent the depositor from losing his possession? Rav Yosef explains: It is in accordance with the opinion of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, as we learned in a mishna: With regard to one who deposits produce with another, even if the produce will be ruined by insects or mold, he should not touch them. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: He should sell them in court, due to the obligation to restore lost property. Just as one is required to return a lost item, he is likewise required to prevent loss of another’s property for which he assumed responsibility.
Abaye said to him: Wasn’t it stated with regard to that mishna that Rabba bar bar Ḥana said that Rabbi Yoḥanan said: The Rabbis taught that one may not touch them only if
▶🇫🇷Résumé en françaisque l'incident s'est produit au lever du soleil est parce que il se tenait dehors en plein air et ce n'étaient que de si…
que l'incident s'est produit au lever du soleil est parce que il se tenait dehors en plein air et ce n'étaient que de simples rayons de lumière qu'il a vus, qu'il a pris pour le lever du soleil. En réalité, lui aussi témoigne d'un incident survenu avant le lever du soleil, et le témoignage des deux témoins est donc un témoignage compatible. Rav Shimi bar Ashi nous apprend donc qu'il n'y a pas de crainte que cela se soit produit de cette manière.
Rav Naḥman a dit que Rav a dit : La halakha est conforme à l'opinion de Rabbi Yehuda. Rava a dit à Rav Naḥman : Et que le Maître dise que la halakha est conforme à l'opinion de Rabbi Meir, qui soutient que l'on peut manger pendant toute la cinquième heure, car le tanna a enseigné une mishna sans attributionconforme à son opinion, ce qui indique que c'est la halakha.
Comme nous l'avons appris dans une mishna : Pendant tout le temps qu'il est permis à une personne de manger du levain lui-même, elle peut en nourrir son animal. On peut déduire de cette mishna qu'il n'y a pas de période intermédiaire où il est interdit à une personne de manger du levain mais où elle peut en nourrir son animal. Cette mishna sans attribution doit être conforme à l'opinion de Rabbi Meir, car Rabbi Yehuda soutient que pendant la cinquième heure, il est interdit de manger du levain mais on peut en nourrir un animal.
La Guemara rejette cette contestation : Cette mishna n'est pas classée comme sans attribution, car elle est conforme à l'opinion de Rabban Gamliel, en raison du fait que si la mishna avait été conforme à l'opinion de Rabbi Meir, le terme : Permis, serait difficile. Au lieu de cela, la mishna aurait dû être formulée : Quand on mange, on peut nourrir.
Rava a soulevé une difficulté supplémentaire à Rav Naḥman : Et que le Maître dise que la halakha est conforme à l'opinion de Rabban Gamliel, car il est le décideur dans ce différend, et il y a un principe général selon lequel la halakha est toujours conforme au décideur qui énonce une opinion qui compromet entre deux opinions citées précédemment. Il lui a dit : Rabban Gamliel n'est pas un décideur ; il énonce une raison qui lui est propre. Rabbi Yehuda et Rabbi Meir sont en désaccord en ce qui concerne la consommation de tout type de levain ; ils ne distinguent pas entre le teruma et la nourriture non sacrée. Puisque Rabban Gamliel distingue entre le moment où l'on doit cesser de manger du teruma et le moment le plus tardif où l'on peut manger de la nourriture non sacrée, son opinion est manifestement une opinion sans rapport qui n'est en aucun cas un compromis entre les deux autres décisions.
Et si tu veux, dis plutôt : Quand Rav a dit que la halakha est conforme à l'opinion de Rabbi Yehuda, il a statué conformément à l'opinion de ce tanna, comme il a été enseigné dans une baraita : En ce qui concerne le quatorze de Nisan qui tombe un Chabbat, on ne retire pas le levain la veille de Pâque de la manière habituelle. Plutôt, on retire tout ce qui est levé avant Chabbat, et on brûle le teruma rituellement impur : Le terumaen suspens, dont la pureté est incertaine, et même tout teruma pur dont on n'a pas besoin pour les repas de Chabbat. Et on laisse du levain purde la nourriture pour deux repas, le repas de la nuit et celui du matin, afin de manger et de finir jusqu'à quatre heures du matin de Chabbat. C'est la déclaration de Rabbi Elazar ben Yehuda de Bartota, qui l'a diteau nom de Rabbi Yehoshua.
Les Sages lui ont dit : On ne doit pas brûler de teruma pur, car peut-être ceux qui peuvent le manger seront trouvés le Chabbat, et il aura rétroactivement violé un interdit de la Torah en brûlant du teruma pur inutilement. Au lieu de cela, on met le teruma de côté, et si personne n'est trouvé pour le manger, on le donne aux chiens ou on l'annule dans son cœur. Il leur a dit : Ils ont déjà cherché des personnes pour manger le terumaet ils n'ont pas trouvé d'autres prêtres dans la ville pour le manger. Ils lui ont dit : Peut-être ces prêtres qui pourraient manger le teruma ce Chabbat ont dormi à l'extérieur du mur de la ville et entreront dans la ville le matin de Chabbat, auquel cas ils pourraient manger le teruma.
Il leur a dit aux Sages : Selon votre déclaration, que vous prenez en compte ce scénario improbable, on ne devrait même pas brûler le teruma en suspens, car peut-être Élie le prophète viendra le Chabbat et établira prophétiquement que le teruma n'est pas rituellement impur, et le rendra rituellement pur. Ils lui ont dit : Cette possibilité n'est pas une source d'inquiétude, car le peuple juif a déjà reçu l'assurance qu'Élie ne viendra ni un vendredi ni la veille d'une Fête, en raison de l'effort impliqué dans la préparation du jour saint à venir. Par conséquent, Élie ne viendra certainement ni le vendredi, ni le Chabbat lui-même, qui est la veille de Pâque.
Ils ont dit : Ils n'ont pas bougé de là jusqu'à ce que les Sages aient voté et ils aient établi la halakha conformément à l'opinion de Rabbi Elazar ben Yehuda de Bartota, qui l'a diteau nom de Rabbi Yehoshua.
À propos de la déclaration précédente selon laquelle la halakha est conforme à l'opinion de Rabbi Yehuda, qu'est-ce que c'est, n'est-ce pas que la halakha est conforme à son opinion même en ce qui concerne la consommation ? La décision de Rav indique que l'on peut manger du levain jusqu'à la fin de la quatrième heure, conformément à l'opinion de Rabbi Yehuda. Rav Pappa a dit au nom de Rava : Non, la décision susmentionnée ne s'applique qu'à l'obligation de retirer le levain, c'est-à-dire que les Sages ont convenu qu'il est permis de brûler du teruma pur le vendredi seulement s'il n'y a personne de disponible pour le manger
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▶✝️Réponse ScripturaLa discussion sur les heures limites pour consommer ou éliminer le levain découle du commandement de la Torah : « Pendan…
La discussion sur les heures limites pour consommer ou éliminer le levain découle du commandement de la Torah : « Pendant sept jours, vous mangerez des pains sans levain ; dès le premier jour, vous supprimerez le levain de vos maisons » (Exode 12:15). Les rabbins cherchent à déterminer avec précision le moment où commence cette suppression, en harmonisant la pratique avec le repos du Chabbat lorsque le 14 Nisan y tombe. Leur souci de ne pas laisser de levain pendant la fête fait écho à la prescription : « On ne verra pas chez toi de levain, dans tout ton territoire, pendant sept jours » (Deutéronome 16:4).
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