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with regard to a burnt offering, which is totally consumed by the fire on the altar, nevertheless, even if its blood enters into the Sanctuary it is fit, with regard to a guilt offering, which is not entirely consumed on the altar, all the more so is it not clear that even if its blood enters the Sanctuary it remains fit? The Gemara refutes this inference: What is notable about a burnt offering? It is notable in that it does not atone for a sin. Perhaps this is why its blood is not disqualified if it enters the sanctuary. The Gemara responds: The meal offering of a sinner can prove the point, as it is not disqualified by entering the Sanctuary, even though it atones for a sin. The Gemara interjects: But let us say that a bird sin offering can prove the point, as it too atones for a sin but is not disqualified by entering the Sanctuary. This case is more similar to that of a guilt offering, as a bird has blood, unlike a meal offering. The Gemara answers: It is not certain that a bird sin offering is not disqualified by entering the Sanctuary; this is a dilemma raised by Rabbi Avin. The Gemara asks: But let us refute the above response as follows: What is notable about a sinner’s meal offering? It is notable in that it is not a type of slaughtered offering. The Gemara answers: If so, a burnt offering can prove the point, since it is a slaughtered offering, and still if its blood enters the Sanctuary, it is not disqualified. And the inference has reverted to its starting point. The halakha is derived from the halakhot of a burnt offering and a sinner’s meal offering: The aspect of this case is not like the aspect of that case and the aspect of that case is not like the aspect of this case. Their common element is that they are offerings of the most sacred order, and if they enter into the Sanctuary they are still fit. So too, I shall include a guilt offering and infer that since it is also an offering of the most sacred order, if its blood enters into the Sanctuary it is still fit. Rava of Barnish said to Rav Ashi: But let us refute this inference: What is notable about their common element? It is notable in that neither a burnt offering nor a sinner’s meal offering has a fixed value. Should you say the same halakhot apply to a guilt offering, which has a fixed value? Rather, this is the reason for the opinion of the Rabbis: As the verse states: “And any sin offering, any of whose blood is brought into the Tent of Meeting to atone in the Sanctuary, shall not be eaten” (Leviticus 6:23). The term “whose blood” teaches that the blood of this offering, i.e., a sin offering, and not the blood of another offering, is disqualified in this manner. And how does the other tanna, Rabbi Eliezer, interpret this term? He derives from it that only its blood is disqualified by entering the Sanctuary, but not its flesh. And from where do the other Rabbis derive that the flesh of a sin offering is not disqualified by entering the Sanctuary? They maintain that both halakhot are derived from this term, as the verse could have simply stated: Blood, but stated: “Whose blood.” The redundancy excludes not only the flesh, but also other offerings. And the other tanna, Rabbi Eliezer, does not interpret the redundancy indicated by the change from: Blood, to: “Whose blood,” to be significant. Once the word blood is mentioned, it is grammatically necessary for the verse to state “whose blood.” § The Gemara resumes its discussion of the dispute in the mishna between Rabbi Eliezer and the Rabbis. Granted, according to the Rabbis, who say that a guilt offering that one slaughtered not for its sake is fit, that is why a meal offering is juxtaposed with a sin offering, and a meal offering is also juxtaposed with a guilt offering. This is as it is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Shimon says: The verse states with regard to a meal offering: “It is most sacred, as the sin offering, and as the guilt offering” (Leviticus 6:10), teaching that a meal offering of a sinner is like a sin offering. Therefore, if one removed its handful not for its sake, it is disqualified. And the verse also teaches that a voluntary meal offering is like a guilt offering. Therefore, if one removed its handful not for its sake, it is still fit. This accords with the opinion of the Rabbis, that a guilt offering slaughtered not for its sake is fit. But according to Rabbi Eliezer, for what halakha is a meal offering juxtaposed with a sin offering, and a meal offering juxtaposed with a guilt offering? The Gemara answers: They are juxtaposed to teach the other halakha derived by Rabbi Shimon from this verse; as we learned in a mishna (Menaḥot 26a): If the handful of a meal offering is conveyed to the altar not in a service vessel, the offering is unfit. And Rabbi Shimon deems it fit. And Rav Yehuda, son of Rabbi Ḥiyya, says: What is the reasoning of Rabbi Shimon? The verse states with regard to a meal offering: “It is most sacred, as the sin offering, and as the guilt offering,” teaching that if a priest comes to perform its sacrificial rites by hand, he must perform them with his right hand, like one performs the rites of a sin offering. And if he performs them with a vessel, he may perform them with his left hand, like one performs the rites of a guilt offering, since Rabbi Shimon maintains this is permitted in the case of a guilt offering. The Gemara asks: And as for Rabbi Shimon himself, does he expound this verse for this purpose, concerning one who if one removes its handful not for its sake, and expound it for that purpose, concerning conveying the handful with one’s hand? The Gemara answers: The verse comes mainly to teach that which Rav Yehuda, son of Rabbi Ḥiyya, explained. And the halakha that a meal offering of a sinner whose handful was removed not for its sake is unfit is due to another reason: What is the reason a sin offering sacrificed not for its sake is disqualified? The reason is that the word “it” is written with regard to it in the verse: “It is a sin offering” (Leviticus 4:24). Since the word “it” is also written with regard to the meal offering of a sinner, in the verse: “For it is a sin offering” (Leviticus 5:11), the same applies in that case. In the mishna, Rabbi Eliezer cites the verse: “As is the sin offering, so is the guilt offering” (Leviticus 7:7), as a source for his opinion. The Gemara asks: And according to the Rabbis, for what halakha is a guilt offering juxtaposed with a sin offering? The Gemara answers: They are juxtaposed to tell you that just as a sin offering requires placing hands on the head of the offering, so too, a guilt offering requires placing hands on the head of the offering. § The mishna teaches: Yosef ben Ḥoni says: Other offerings that are slaughtered for the sake of a Paschal offering or a sin offering are unfit. Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Yosef ben Ḥoni and Rabbi Eliezer said the same thing, i.e., Rabbi Eliezer agrees with Yosef ben Ḥoni. Rabba says: Although they agree that other offerings slaughtered for the sake of a Paschal offering are unfit, they disagree with regard to other offerings slaughtered for the sake of a sin offering. Whereas Yosef ben Ḥoni holds that they are unfit, Rabbi Eliezer maintains that they are fit. This is as it is taught in a baraita: In the case of a Paschal offering whose first year has passed, and it must therefore be sacrificed as a peace offering, and one slaughtered it at its designated time on Passover eve for its own sake as a Paschal offering, and likewise, if one slaughtered other offerings for the sake of a Paschal offering at its designated time, the tanna’im disagree as to the status of the offering. Rabbi Eliezer deems it unfit, and Rabbi Yehoshua deems it fit. Rabbi Yehoshua said: If, during the rest of the days of the year, when a Paschal offering is not fit if it is slaughtered for its own sake, nevertheless, other offerings that are slaughtered for its sake are fit, then at its designated time, when a Paschal offering is fit if it is slaughtered for its own sake, isn’t it logical that other offerings slaughtered for its sake should be fit? Rabbi Eliezer said to him: Or conversely, just as during the rest of the days of the year, when a Paschal offering is not fit if it is slaughtered for its own sake, it is fit if slaughtered for the sake of other offerings, so too, at its designated time, when it is fit if slaughtered for its own sake, isn’t it logical that it should be fit if slaughtered for the sake of other offerings? And accordingly, a Paschal offering slaughtered not for its own sake on the fourteenth of Nisan should be deemed fit, which contradicts the halakha. Clearly, this line of reasoning leads to incorrect conclusions. Furthermore, Rabbi Eliezer refuted Rabbi Yehoshua’s logic as follows: And do you say this derivation? What does it matter to me that other offerings slaughtered during the rest of the days of the year for the sake of a Paschal offering are deemed fit? After all, a Paschal offering slaughtered for the sake of other offerings is also fit. But must you say that other offerings slaughtered at its designated time for its sake should be deemed fit? After all, at its designated time, a Paschal offering slaughtered for the sake of other offerings is unfit. Rabbi Yehoshua said to him: If, as you maintain, other offerings slaughtered on Passover eve for the sake of a Paschal offering are disqualified, you have diminished the force of the requirement that a Paschal offering be sacrificed for its own sake, and you have given more force to the requirement that a peace offering be sacrificed for its own sake. A Paschal offering sacrificed at the proper time, i.e., during the rest of the year, for the sake of a peace offering, is fit, whereas a peace offering sacrificed on Passover eve for the sake of a Paschal offering is unfit. The baraita continues: Rabbi Eliezer then presented a different logical inference: We find that a leftover Paschal offering, an animal consecrated as a Paschal offering but ultimately not sacrificed on Passover eve, is brought as a peace offering; but a leftover peace offering, one bought with money left over from funds dedicated toward the acquisition of a peace offering, is not brought as a Paschal offering. A Paschal offering is a potential peace offering, but a peace offering is not a potential Paschal offering. And if so, one may infer a fortiori: Just as with regard to a Paschal offering, whose leftover offering is brought as a peace offering, and nevertheless, if one slaughtered it at its designated time for the sake of a peace offering it is unfit, so too, with regard to a peace offering, whose leftover offering is not brought as a Paschal offering, if one slaughtered it for the sake of a Paschal offering at its designated time, isn’t it logical that it should be unfit?
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en ce qui concerne un holocauste, qui est entièrement consumé par le feu sur l’autel, néanmoins, même si son sang pénètre dans le Sanctuaire, il est apte ; en ce qui concerne un sacrifice de culpabilité, qui n’est pas entièrement consumé sur l’autel, à plus forte raison n’est-il pas clair que même si son sang pénètre dans le Sanctuaire, il reste apte ? La Guemara réfute cette inférence : Qu’y a-t-il de particulier dans un holocauste ? Il est particulier en ce qu’il n’expie pas pour un péché. Peut-être est-ce pour cela que son sang n’est pas disqualifié s’il pénètre dans le Sanctuaire. La Guemara répond : L’offrande de repas d’un pécheur peut prouver le point, car elle n’est pas disqualifiée en pénétrant dans le Sanctuaire, bien qu’elle expie pour un péché. La Guemara interrompt : Mais disons que un sacrifice pour le péché d’oiseau peut prouver le point, car il expie aussi pour un péché mais n’est pas disqualifié en pénétrant dans le Sanctuaire. Ce cas est plus similaire à celui d’un sacrifice de culpabilité, car un oiseau a du sang, contrairement à une offrande de repas. La Guemara répond : Il n’est pas certain que un sacrifice pour le péché d’oiseau ne soit pas disqualifié en pénétrant dans le Sanctuaire ; ceci est un dilemme soulevé par Rabbi Avin. La Guemara demande : Mais réfutons la réponse ci-dessus comme suit : Qu’y a-t-il de particulier dans l’offrande de repas d’un pécheur ? Elle est particulière en ce qu’elle n’est pas un type d’offrande abattue. La Guemara répond : Si c’est le cas, un holocauste peut prouver le point, puisqu’il est une offrande abattue, et pourtant si son sang pénètre dans le Sanctuaire, il n’est pas disqualifié. Et l’inférence est revenue à son point de départ. La halakha est dérivée des halakhot d’un holocauste et d’une offrande de repas de pécheur : L’aspect de ce cas n’est pas comme l’aspect de celui-là et l’aspect de celui-là n’est pas comme l’aspect de ce cas. Leur élément commun est qu’ils sont des offrandes de l’ordre le plus sacré, et s’ils entrent dans le Sanctuaire ils sont encore aptes. De même, j’inclurai un sacrifice de culpabilité et j’inférerai que puisqu’il est aussi une offrande de l’ordre le plus sacré, si son sang pénètre dans le Sanctuaire, il est encore apte. Rava de Barnish dit à Rav Ashi : Mais réfutons cette inférence : Qu’y a-t-il de particulier dans leur élément commun ? Il est particulier en ce que ni un holocauste ni une offrande de repas de pécheur n’a une valeur fixe. Devrais-tu dire que les mêmes halakhot s’appliquent à un sacrifice de culpabilité, qui a une valeur fixe ? Plutôt, voici la raison de l’opinion des Rabbins : Comme le verset le dit : « Et tout sacrifice pour le péché, dont le sang sera porté dans la tente d’assignation pour faire l’expiation dans le Sanctuaire, ne sera point mangé » (Lévitique 6:23). Le terme « dont le sang » enseigne que le sang de celui-ci, c’est-à-dire un sacrifice pour le péché, et non le sang d’un autre sacrifice, est disqualifié de cette manière. Et comment l’autre tanna, Rabbi Eliezer, interprète-t-il ce terme ? Il en dérive que seulement son sang est disqualifié en pénétrant dans le Sanctuaire, mais non sa chair. Et d’où les autres Rabbins dérivent-ils que la chair d’un sacrifice pour le péché n’est pas disqualifiée en pénétrant dans le Sanctuaire ? Ils soutiennent que les deux halakhot sont dérivées de ce terme, car le verset aurait pu simplement dire : Sang, mais il dit : « Dont le sang. » La redondance exclut non seulement la chair, mais aussi les autres offrandes. Et l’autre tanna, Rabbi Eliezer, n’interprète pas la redondance indiquée par le changement de : Sang, à : « Dont le sang, » comme significative. Une fois que le mot sang est mentionné, il est grammaticalement nécessaire que le verset dise « dont le sang ». § La Guemara reprend sa discussion sur le différend dans la mishna entre Rabbi Eliezer et les Rabbins. D’accord, selon les Rabbins, qui disent que un sacrifice de culpabilité qu’on a abattu non pour son nom est apte, c’est pourquoi une offrande de repas est juxtaposée à un sacrifice pour le péché, et une offrande de repas est aussi juxtaposée à un sacrifice de culpabilité. Ceci est comme il est enseigné dans une baraita : Rabbi Chimon dit : Le verset dit à propos d’une offrande de repas : « C’est une chose très sainte, comme le sacrifice pour le péché, et comme le sacrifice de culpabilité » (Lévitique 6:10), enseignant que une offrande de repas d’un pécheur est comme un sacrifice pour le péché. Par conséquent, si l’on en a retiré la poignée non pour son nom, elle est disqualifiée. Et le verset enseigne aussi que une offrande de repas volontaire est comme un sacrifice de culpabilité. Par conséquent, si l’on en a retiré la poignée non pour son nom, elle est encore apte. Ceci est conforme à l’opinion des Rabbins, selon laquelle un sacrifice de culpabilité abattu non pour son nom est apte. Mais selon Rabbi Eliezer, pour quelle halakha une offrande de repas est-elle juxtaposée à un sacrifice pour le péché, et une offrande de repas juxtaposée à un sacrifice de culpabilité ? La Guemara répond : Elles sont juxtaposées pour enseigner l’autre halakha dérivée par Rabbi Chimon de ce verset ; comme nous l’avons appris dans une mishna (Menaḥot 26a) : Si la poignée d’une offrande de repas est portée à l’autel non dans un récipient de service, l’offrande est inapte. Et Rabbi Chimon la juge apte. Et Rav Yehouda, fils de Rabbi Ḥiyya, dit : Quelle est la raison de Rabbi Chimon ? Le verset dit à propos d’une offrande de repas : « C’est une chose très sainte, comme le sacrifice pour le péché, et comme le sacrifice de culpabilité, » enseignant que si un prêtre vient accomplir ses rites sacrificiels à la main, il doit les accomplir avec sa main droite, comme on accomplit les rites de un sacrifice pour le péché. Et s’il les accomplit avec un récipient, il peut les accomplir avec sa main gauche, comme on accomplit les rites de < [...]
La Torah distingue les offrandes selon leur degré de sainteté : « C'est une chose très sainte » (Lévitique 6:18). La discussion sur le sang qui pénètre dans le Sanctuaire montre que les Sages cherchaient à préserver la sainteté du lieu, car « le sang, c'est l'âme » (Lévitique 17:11). L'Évangile révèle que le sang du Christ, entré « une fois pour toutes dans le sanctuaire » (Hébreux 9:12), n'est pas disqualifié mais accomplit la purification éternelle.

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