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▶ 💬 Guemara The mishna relates that a student recited a halakha before Rabbi Akiva, and he did not accept the student’s version of t…
The mishna relates that a student recited a halakha before Rabbi Akiva, and he did not accept the student’s version of the dispute between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel, as Rabbi Akiva said: They disagree about this, an alleyway less than four cubits wide, and about that, an alleyway more than four cubits wide. The Gemara asks: In that case, the opinion of Rabbi Akiva is identical with the opinion first tanna of the mishna, as he too holds that Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel disagree in all cases, irrespective of the width of the alleyway. The Gemara answers: There is a practical difference between them with regard to the halakha stated by Rav Aḥlai, and some say it was Rav Yeḥiel, that an alleyway less than four handbreadths wide requires no corrective action. However, their respective opinions are not defined; which tanna accepts the view of Rav Aḥlai and which tanna rejects it cannot be determined. It was taught in a baraita that Rabbi Akiva said: Rabbi Yishmael did not state this matter, as it is unlikely that Rabbi Yishmael would err in this manner; rather, it was that disciple who stated that matter on his own, and the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of that disciple. With regard to that baraita the Gemara asks: This baraita itself is difficult. You stated initially that Rabbi Yishmael did not state this matter; apparently the halakha is not in accordance with the opinion of the disciple. And then you said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of that disciple. Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: Rabbi Akiva said that the halakha is in accordance with that disciple only to sharpen the minds of his students with his statement. Seeking to encourage his students to suggest novel opinions, he praised that disciple before them but did not actually rule in accordance with the disciple’s opinion. And Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said, in another attempt to resolve the contradiction: The statement of the disciple appears to be reasonable was stated. Although Rabbi Yishmael himself did not make that statement, the statement of the disciple is reasonable. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi said: Anywhere that you find a statement introduced with: A certain disciple said before Rabbi Akiva in the name of Rabbi Yishmael, it is none other than Rabbi Meir, who was the student who served both Rabbi Yishmael and Rabbi Akiva. As it was taught in a baraita that Rabbi Meir said: When I was a student with Rabbi Yishmael, I used to put iron sulfate [kankantom] into the ink with which I wrote Torah scrolls, and he did not say anything to me. When I came to study with Rabbi Akiva, he prohibited me from doing so. The Gemara challenges this statement: Is that so? Didn’t Rav Yehuda say that Shmuel said in the name of Rabbi Meir: When I studied with Rabbi Akiva as his disciple, I used to put iron sulfate into the ink, and he did not say anything to me. But when I came to study with Rabbi Yishmael, he said to me: My son, what is your vocation? I replied: I am a scribe [lavlar] who writes Torah scrolls. He said to me: My son, be careful in your vocation, as your vocation is heavenly service, and care must be taken lest you omit a single letter or add a single letter out of place, and you will end up destroying the whole world in its entirety. Addition or omission of a single letter can change the meaning from truth [emet] to death [met]. I said to him: I have one substance called iron sulfate, which I place into the ink, and therefore I am not concerned. He said to me: May one place iron sulfate into the ink? Didn’t the Torah state with regard to sota: “And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out into the water of bitterness” (Numbers 5:23)? The Torah requires writing that can be blotted out. The Gemara clarifies elements of the conversation: What is Rabbi Yishmael saying to Rabbi Meir, and what is he answering him? Rabbi Meir’s response with regard to iron sulfate does not seem to address Rabbi Yishmael’s comments with regard to omissions and additions. The Gemara explains that this is what Rabbi Meir is saying to Rabbi Yishmael: There is no need to mention defective and plene words, as I am an expert; however, even with regard to the concern that a fly might come and land on the crown of the letter dalet and blot it out and render it a reish, thereby changing the meaning of the word, I am not concerned, as I have a substance called iron sulfate that I place into the ink so that it will not be erased. Nevertheless, there is a difficulty between service and service, as one source states that Rabbi Meir initially served Rabbi Akiva, whereas the other source states that he served Rabbi Yishmael first. There is a difficulty between the words he prohibited it in the baraita, which is referring to Rabbi Akiva, and he prohibited it in the statement of Rav Yehuda, which is referring to Rabbi Yishmael. The Gemara comments: Granted, there is no difficulty between the accounts in the two sources with regard to service and service, as it can be suggested as follows: Rabbi Meir initially came to study before Rabbi Akiva, and since he was unable to comprehend the teachings in accordance with his opinion, he came before Rabbi Yishmael and studied the tradition, and again came before Rabbi Akiva and studied logical analysis. After studying the basic principles from Rabbi Yishmael, he was able to understand the more complex teachings of Rabbi Akiva. Having reconciled the first difficulty, the Gemara continues: However, the difficulty with regard to whether Rabbi Akiva prohibited iron sulfate or Rabbi Yishmael prohibited it remains difficult. The Gemara notes: It indeed remains difficult; no answer was found. The Gemara continues the discussion of iron sulfate. It was taught in a baraita: Rabbi Yehuda says that Rabbi Meir would say: One may place iron sulfate into the ink that is to be used for all sacred writings, except for the writing of the Torah passage with regard to a sota, as it must be possible to erase that writing. Rabbi Ya’akov says in his name: Except for the writing of the Torah passage with regard to a sota used in the Temple in the ordeal to determine the guilt or innocence of the wife suspected of adultery. The Gemara asks: What is the difference between their opinions, i.e., what is their point of dispute? The Gemara answers: Rav Yirmeya said: The difference between their opinions is whether it is permissible to erase the passage of a sota from a Torah scroll. The tanna’im of the baraita disagree whether or not a section taken from a Torah scroll may be used for this purpose, or whether a special scroll must be written for use in the ordeal of the sota. And those tanna’im disagree in the same dispute as these tanna’im, as it was taught in a baraita: A scroll that was written for one woman suspected of infidelity but was not used, her scroll is not fit to prepare the water to give to another sota to drink. However, Rabbi Aḥai bar Yoshiya said: Her scroll is fit to be used to prepare the water to give another sota to drink. The legal status of a Torah scroll, which is not written for a particular sota, should be the same. Rav Pappa said: Perhaps that is not the case, as the two circumstances are not comparable. The first tanna of the baraita stated his opinion that one woman’s scroll may not be used for another woman only there; since it had originally been designated in the name of one woman, e.g., Rachel, it cannot then be designated in the name of another woman, e.g., Leah. However, in the case of a Torah scroll, which is written with no particular person in mind, he too may say that we may erase it to be used for another woman, and it is not disqualified because it was not written in her name. Furthermore, Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said in another attempt to resolve the matter: Perhaps it is not so, as an additional distinction exists between the two cases: Rabbi Aḥai bar Yoshiya stated his opinion that the first woman’s scroll may be used for another woman only there because at least, in that case, it was written for a particular sota in the world. However, in the case of a Torah scroll, which was written for study, he too would agree that we do not erase it. The Gemara asks: And does Rabbi Aḥai bar Yoshiya not hold in accordance with that which we learned in a mishna: If one wrote a bill of divorce to divorce his wife,
▶ 🇫🇷 Résumé en français La mishna relate qu'un élève récita une halakha devant Rabbi Akiva, et il n'accepta pas la version de l'élève concernant…
La mishna relate qu'un élève récita une halakha devant Rabbi Akiva, et il n'accepta pas la version de l'élève concernant la dispute entre Beit Shammai et Beit Hillel, car Rabbi Akiva dit : Ils sont en désaccord sur ceci, une ruelle de moins de quatre coudées de large, et sur cela, une ruelle de plus de quatre coudées de large. La Guemara demande : Dans ce cas, l'opinion de Rabbi Akiva est identique à l'opinion du premier tanna de la mishna, car lui aussi soutient que Beit Shammai et Beit Hillel sont en désaccord dans tous les cas, quelle que soit la largeur de la ruelle. La Guemara répond : Il y a une différence pratique entre eux en ce qui concerne la halakha énoncée par Rav Aḥlai, et certains disent que c'était Rav Yeḥiel, selon laquelle une ruelle de moins de quatre empans de large ne requiert aucune action corrective. Cependant, leurs opinions respectives ne sont pas définies ; on ne peut déterminer quel tanna accepte l'avis de Rav Aḥlai et quel tanna le rejette. Il a été enseigné dans une baraita que Rabbi Akiva dit : Rabbi Yishmael n'a pas énoncé cette chose, car il est improbable que Rabbi Yishmael ait erré de cette manière ; plutôt, c'est ce disciple qui a énoncé cette chose de son propre chef, et la halakha est conforme à l'opinion de ce disciple. À propos de cette baraita, la Guemara demande : Cette baraita elle-même est difficile. Tu as dit initialement que Rabbi Yishmael n'a pas énoncé cette chose ; apparemment la halakha n'est pas conforme à l'opinion du disciple. Et puis tu as dit : La halakha est conforme à l'opinion de ce disciple. Rav Yehuda dit que Shmuel dit : Rabbi Akiva dit que la halakha est conforme à ce disciple uniquement pour aiguiser l'esprit de ses élèves avec sa déclaration. Cherchant à encourager ses élèves à proposer des opinions nouvelles, il loua ce disciple devant eux mais ne statua pas réellement conformément à l'opinion du disciple. Et Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak dit, dans une autre tentative de résoudre la contradiction : La déclaration du disciple « il semble » a été énoncée. Bien que Rabbi Yishmael lui-même n'ait pas fait cette déclaration, la déclaration du disciple est raisonnable. Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi dit : Partout où tu trouves une déclaration introduite par : Un certain disciple dit devant Rabbi Akiva au nom de Rabbi Yishmael, ce n'est autre que Rabbi Meïr, qui était l'élève qui servit à la fois Rabbi Yishmael et Rabbi Akiva. Comme il a été enseigné dans une baraita que Rabbi Meïr dit : Lorsque j'étais un élève auprès de Rabbi Yishmael, je mettais du sulfate de fer [kankantom] dans l'encre avec laquelle j'écrivais les rouleaux de la Torah, et il ne me dit rien. Lorsque je vins étudier auprès de Rabbi Akiva, il me l'interdit de faire. La Guemara conteste cette déclaration : En est-il ainsi ? Rav Yehuda n'a-t-il pas dit que Shmuel dit au nom de Rabbi Meïr : Lorsque j'étudiais avec Rabbi Akiva comme son disciple, je mettais du sulfate de fer dans l'encre, et il ne me dit rien. Mais lorsque je vins étudier auprès de Rabbi Yishmael, il me dit : Mon fils, quel est ton métier ? Je répondis : Je suis un scribe [lavlar] qui écrit des rouleaux de la Torah. Il me dit : Mon fils, sois prudent dans ton métier, car ton métier est un service céleste, et il faut prendre garde de peur que tu omettes une seule lettre ou que tu ajoutes une seule lettre hors de sa place, et tu finiras par détruire le monde entier dans sa totalité. L'addition ou l'omission d'une seule lettre peut changer le sens de vérité [emet] à mort [met]. Je lui dis : J'ai une substance appelée sulfate de fer, que je place dans l'encre, et donc je ne suis pas inquiet. Il me dit : Peut-on placer du sulfate de fer dans l'encre ? La Torah n'a-t-elle pas dit à propos de la sota : « Et le prêtre écrira ces malédictions dans un livre, et il les effacera dans les eaux amères » (Nombres 5:23) ? La Torah exige une écriture qui peut être effacée. La Guemara clarifie des éléments de la conversation : Qu'est-ce que Rabbi Yishmael dit à Rabbi Meïr, et qu'est-ce que celui-ci lui répond ? La réponse de Rabbi Meïr concernant le sulfate de fer ne semble pas répondre aux commentaires de Rabbi Yishmael concernant les omissions et les ajouts. La Guemara explique que voici ce que Rabbi Meïr dit à Rabbi Yishmael : Il n'est pas nécessaire de mentionner les mots défectifs et pléniers, car je suis un expert ; cependant, même en ce qui concerne l'inquiétude qu'une mouche vienne se poser sur la couronne de la lettre dalet et l'efface et la rende un reish, changeant ainsi le sens du mot, je ne suis pas inquiet, car j'ai une substance appelée sulfate de fer que je place dans l'encre afin qu'elle ne soit pas effacée. Néanmoins, il y a une difficulté entre service et service, car une source dit que Rabbi Meïr servit d'abord Rabbi Akiva, tandis que l'autre source dit qu'il servit Rabbi Yishmael en premier. Il y a une difficulté entre les mots il le lui interdit dans la baraita, qui se réfère à Rabbi Akiva, et il le lui interdit dans la déclaration de Rav Yehuda, qui se réfère à Rabbi Yishmael. La Guemara commente : Accordé, il n'y a pas de difficulté entre les récits des deux sources en ce qui concerne service et service, car on peut suggérer ceci : Rabbi Meïr vint initialement étudier devant Rabbi Akiva, et puisqu'il ne put comprendre les enseignements conformément à son avis, il vint devant Rabbi Yishmael et étudia la tradition, et de nouveau vint devant Rabbi Akiva et étudia l'analyse logique. Après avoir étudié les principes de base auprès de Rabb
L'élève qui cite Rabbi Yishmael à Rabbi Akiva (Deutéronome 6:7 ; 2 Timothée 2:2) illustre la transmission fidèle de la Tradition. Jésus, Rabbi par excellence (Jean 13:13), envoie Ses disciples enseigner toutes les nations (Matthieu 28:19-20) en promettant l'Esprit qui guide dans toute la vérité (Jean 16:13 ; 1 Jean 2:27).

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